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Example in section #transparency is wrong? +suggested change

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"At a minimum, link something that, obviously, wouldn't be the title of an article under our article title conventions:

a war launched in 1763 by a loose confederation of elements of Native American tribes"

Wouldn't the sentence be parsed as "(a war launched in 1763) by (a loose confederation of (elements of Native American tribes))"? The current link separates "elements" from the noun it describes ("Native American tribes").

So I think the correct linking would be "a loose confederation"  AltoStev (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Language Wikipedia

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Maybe something should be added about languages. Is WP:EASTEREGG to use Daniel J. Alpert (hidden redirect to German Wikipedia) instead of Daniel J. Alpert [de]? Example coming from WP:PHYSICS. ReyHahn (talk) 17:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Possible conflict with screen reader software and search engines

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I'm wondering whether the advice:

☒N [[public transport|public transportation]]

checkY [[public transport]]ation

might conflict with screen readers or search engines. Specifically, would they treat "transport" and "ation" as two separate words? So:

  • People using screen readers might hear "public transport ation" as three words. Also, since "ation" is not a English word, it might be mispronounced.
  • Search engines might index the non-existent word "ation" or fail to match on a quote-surrounded exact-match search for "transportation".

Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just now asked Safari to read this section aloud and it did read [[public transport]]ation as three words as expected. I did not test with other screen readers or with VoiceOver. I guess to be complete I also need to test public transportation so will test that now. Ah, I see the generated code extends the link to include the full text, so not an issue in actual use. But still an issue on instructional pages where the Wiki code is not rendered due to the nowiki tag. So, an edge case problem. Leaving here for documentation. Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:24, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Thisisnotatest: If you have any questions at all that concern whether something is accessible to users of screen reader software, the best place to ask is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility. But if you want a quick demo, check out User:Graham87/Personal Wikipedia timeline. In that, I have found the following eight:
If Graham87 (talk · contribs) uses this construct, you can bet that no problem exixts. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah (a) it makes no difference in the rendered output and (b) how it appears in the edit window is no problem at all. Graham87 (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, thank you! And will try to remember to use Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility in the future for such questions. Although can't guarantee it if I'm in the middle of a wiki rabbit hole :) Thisisnotatest (talk) 07:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This particular advice does not seem to reflect community practice. The "the number of links to a redirect page can be a useful gauge of when it would be helpful to spin off a subtopic of an article into its own page" is sensible, especially within the context of Template:R with possibilities, but that plainly does not apply to the example: [[Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart|Mozart]]. The only reason given for that seems to be to avoid markup length, and I can't say I see this done very often. Instead, redirects are often avoided with pipes. However much of an issue markup was, it is alleviated with the use of Visual editor. I suspect being able to understand pipes is one of the first things editors learn. Furthermore, there are benefits to having pipes, for example someone editing markup will know the title of the article they link to, and these don't seem outweighed by markup reading. I propose that the current example and the markup explanation are removed, and then shifting the Leningrad example to be the example there, as that use of a redirect has a practical purpose to later building of the encyclopaedia. CMD (talk) 03:40, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I never use Visual Editor, and totally subscribe to the reason given that "Unnecessary piping makes the wikitext harder to read." The closer the wikitext remains to the rendered text, the easier it is to edit wikitext. As for the supposed benefit that "someone editing markup will know the title of the article they link to", with wikEd I can know that by simply Ctrl + clicking on any wiki-link, and it will open the article in a new tab. -- Deeday-UK (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]